Having been at this panel also, I am able to make informed comments this time.
But I argued, with such a good name, how could it be anything other than a really interesting and clever panel about the themes and fairy tale elements of season 5?
Yes, I also was disappointed that they completely ignored the putative topic of the panel and turned it into a "what I hated and liked about Season 5", especially since the "what I liked" parts were full of damning with faint praise.
I wish I lived in a universe where "The Long Game" hadn't happened. True, but I have to say that the Dalek episode in Season 5 was worse. Mind you, it was the ONLY dud episode in Season 5.
now turned their attention to his invention of the Giant Epic Finale. To be fair, they were criticising Rusty for that too. If I recall correctly, George Ivanoff opened that phase with "both Rusty and The Smoff were following the George Lucas school of writing", and he then proceeded to summarize every single Epic Finale in New Who. So I would take that as more of a criticism of Rusty than of Moffat.
I did think that Narelle Harris's comment about having a finale which consisted of "someone's Mum being cross at the Doctor" was amusing. I mean, of course that would never happen, but the remark was really a response to how over the top the finales had been getting.
Oh noes, now it's suddenly for children! I think the complaint was that it had gone from a "family" show to a "children's" show... which, really, I don't get at all. <Professor Kirke>What do they teach them at these schools?</Professor Kirke> 1) It has always been a "family" show, and still is. 2) Of course the show-runners think it is for kids - haven't you noticed the thing on the BBC website where they get "scare" ratings from kids? 3) If you think the show has been "dumbed down" to be kids-only, you haven't seen The Sarah-Jane Adventures. 4) I don't care a fig if it is a "kids" show or a "family" show, because "kids" shows are nothing to be ashamed of watching, you silly ageists.
There was a lot of talk about how it was destroyed in the Great Fire of London. I didn't feel it was worth being pedantic about that particular point. And there wasn't a lot of talk about it, it was simply mentioned to point out that the show-runners themselves at the time felt that the Sonic Screwdriver was getting too overpowered and making things too easy.
However, this was followed by an explanation that River is only likable if she's not actually the Doctor's wife, because obviously Eleven is asexual (NO, REALLY) and female persons are only any good when they have no real sexuality (like Donna! Why can't River have a hilarious old lady sexuality like Donna?) and so on.
Er, well, I don't want River to be the Doctor's wife, sorry. I am really annoyed by that meme. And, mind you, they didn't say "female persons are only any good when they have no real sexuality" outright, just implied it.
And, whether or not Eleven is asexual, he's certainly more "asexual" than Ten, and I find it a great relief, because I was sick of all the Wromance in the TARDIS, because it harks back to the "the only point of a woman is to be a love-interest" sexism. Which I don't like.
"Anyway, the Doctor having any kind of emotional involvement with another character would cheapen his love for Rose." That was Narelle Harris.
The only other panel I went to was about history in YA speculative fiction.
No, you were at the "Boxcutters Presents: Writing Doctor Who" one, because that's where I bumped into you. Unless you had somehow sneaked into the back and hadn't actually gone to the panel? Or does that one not count because it wasn't, strictly speaking, a "panel"?
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Having been at this panel also, I am able to make informed comments this time.
But I argued, with such a good name, how could it be anything other than a really interesting and clever panel about the themes and fairy tale elements of season 5?
Yes, I also was disappointed that they completely ignored the putative topic of the panel and turned it into a "what I hated and liked about Season 5", especially since the "what I liked" parts were full of damning with faint praise.
I wish I lived in a universe where "The Long Game" hadn't happened.
True, but I have to say that the Dalek episode in Season 5 was worse. Mind you, it was the ONLY dud episode in Season 5.
now turned their attention to his invention of the Giant Epic Finale.
To be fair, they were criticising Rusty for that too. If I recall correctly, George Ivanoff opened that phase with "both Rusty and The Smoff were following the George Lucas school of writing", and he then proceeded to summarize every single Epic Finale in New Who. So I would take that as more of a criticism of Rusty than of Moffat.
I did think that Narelle Harris's comment about having a finale which consisted of "someone's Mum being cross at the Doctor" was amusing. I mean, of course that would never happen, but the remark was really a response to how over the top the finales had been getting.
Oh noes, now it's suddenly for children!
I think the complaint was that it had gone from a "family" show to a "children's" show... which, really, I don't get at all. <Professor Kirke>What do they teach them at these schools?</Professor Kirke>
1) It has always been a "family" show, and still is.
2) Of course the show-runners think it is for kids - haven't you noticed the thing on the BBC website where they get "scare" ratings from kids?
3) If you think the show has been "dumbed down" to be kids-only, you haven't seen The Sarah-Jane Adventures.
4) I don't care a fig if it is a "kids" show or a "family" show, because "kids" shows are nothing to be ashamed of watching, you silly ageists.
There was a lot of talk about how it was destroyed in the Great Fire of London.
I didn't feel it was worth being pedantic about that particular point. And there wasn't a lot of talk about it, it was simply mentioned to point out that the show-runners themselves at the time felt that the Sonic Screwdriver was getting too overpowered and making things too easy.
However, this was followed by an explanation that River is only likable if she's not actually the Doctor's wife, because obviously Eleven is asexual (NO, REALLY) and female persons are only any good when they have no real sexuality (like Donna! Why can't River have a hilarious old lady sexuality like Donna?) and so on.
Er, well, I don't want River to be the Doctor's wife, sorry. I am really annoyed by that meme.
And, mind you, they didn't say "female persons are only any good when they have no real sexuality" outright, just implied it.
And, whether or not Eleven is asexual, he's certainly more "asexual" than Ten, and I find it a great relief, because I was sick of all the Wromance in the TARDIS, because it harks back to the "the only point of a woman is to be a love-interest" sexism. Which I don't like.
"Anyway, the Doctor having any kind of emotional involvement with another character would cheapen his love for Rose."
That was Narelle Harris.
The only other panel I went to was about history in YA speculative fiction.
No, you were at the "Boxcutters Presents: Writing Doctor Who" one, because that's where I bumped into you. Unless you had somehow sneaked into the back and hadn't actually gone to the panel? Or does that one not count because it wasn't, strictly speaking, a "panel"?