Feminism: Doing it wrong

[lizbee]

With Amy gone, we can no longer argue whether or not wearing mini-skirts makes her a brazen hussy ... but don't worry, here's the argument about whether Clara's second job makes her a whore, or merely easy. Also, characterisation: what business does it have appearing in television?

Fandom: actually in fact the worst!

On an unrelated note: denizens of Tumblr! If you're about to claim that rape was unknown outside of Europe until it was introduced by colonisers, I strongly recommend first googling "noble savage stereotype", and then sitting very quietly and thinking about what you've done.

Comments

[sqbr]

Ug. Clara was not a governess getting her kicks pretending to be a barmaid! She was a barmaid trying to get a better life by becoming a governess and pretending to be upper class! I thought that was made pretty clear, eg the way she reverts to her lower class accent under stress.

I do tend to agree with the person expressing frustration with the way that Amy, River and Oswin are ALL sexy women who flirt with the Doctor: each character makes sense individually but it would be nice to have some variety. Still, she does make sense as an individual character. *has a forboding feeling that there will be just as much Oswin hate as Amy hate, yay*

[lizbee]

I thought that was made pretty clear, eg the way she reverts to her lower class accent under stress.

I'm consistently impressed by fandom's inability to comprehend writing aimed at children.

I do tend to agree with the person expressing frustration with the way that Amy, River and Oswin are ALL sexy women who flirt with the Doctor: each character makes sense individually but it would be nice to have some variety.

Yeah, I prefer Moffat's trope of Curious, Clever, Mouthy and Flirtatious Women to RTD's Aimless Without The Doctor type (the exception being Martha, who has more in common with Moffat's type), but I wouldn't say no to a bit more variety.

*has a forboding feeling that there will be just as much Oswin hate as Amy hate, yay*

I've already seen posts on Tumblr calling her a slut for kissing the Doctor.

[sqbr]

I've already seen posts on Tumblr calling her a slut for kissing the Doctor.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaah >:( >:( >:(

(I'd say you need to follow better people if I hadn't made my own "ARGH TUMBLR" post recently)

[jesuswasbatman]

It's a bit more than "slut", there's also been a resurgence of people claiming that the scenes of women kissing the Doctor without permission in Moffat-era stories are tantamount to rape and proof that he has no conception of consent.

[lizbee]

Well, yeah, the power dynamic and context is exactly like in a sexual assault OH WAIT.

[aella_irene]

Especially since there was a dodgy power dynamic in that episode, and it was between Clara and her employer.

(I love Clara. I ship Clara/Doctor, and when someone pointed out that she is very very Mary Poppins, I squeeed.)

[sqbr]

I do think the "woman kissing a surprised Doctor" thing has Issues and has regardless gotten a bit old at this point, but it's not sexual assault, ack.

[kerravonsen]

Agreed on both points.

[sohotrightnow]

I don't know why I'm surprised at this point, and yet I am. Bravo, fandom, bravo.

[sabotabby]

I'm consistently impressed by fandom's inability to comprehend writing aimed at children.

In fairness (why am I being fair to fandom?) I am not sure how readily apparent the accent thing would be to North Americans who didn't grow up with British TV.

I think Moffat has issues with writing female characters; I am failing to see Oswin's character, from what we've seen of her, as problematic in that regard.

[trouble]

Yeah, Moffatt has a type, bless his wee cotton socks, and since I have the same type I really enjoy it. But more variety would be a delight, too.