Weight and writing
Feb. 19th, 2012 11:24 amSo my doctor says I have to lose 20 kilos, and since he's unexpectedly fat-friendly and anti-BMI (and because I've been in denial about being pre-diabetic for a couple of years now), I'm ... doing that. Weight. Losing. Thing.
See, it went like this:
About two years ago, I was told I'm pre-diabetic. "Great!" I said, "I'll totally adopt a healthier lifestyle!"
Suffice to say, I did not. I was about 70 kilos at the time. Since then I got a (really) sedentary job and gained another 10.
A lot of my friends are fat activists and fatshionistas, so I spent a lot of time reading their blogs, and reading other blogs, and learning to love my belly. (And I was doing quite well until my belly decided that it did not love me, and went from mildly averse to lactose to highly intolerant, and then followed it with several weeks of reflux. Thanks, belly.)
The problem was that my friends are, in general, very healthy and very fit. Me? Not so much.
I confided to
selvage that I was worried about my health last November, and she agreed that I should probably see a doctor. But I put it off.
Hey, you know what's good at cutting through denial? RAGE. Early in the week a couple of people reblogged this on Tumblr, and it was like being punched in the face with their privilege. I spent much of Tuesday ranting at
weaver. It basically went, "FUCK YOU, I DON'T GET A CHOICE ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT I'M HEALTHY. BUT NOW I'M GOING TO TALK TO MY DOCTOR ABOUT LOSING WEIGHT AND MANAGING MY CHRONIC ILLNESS BETTER JUST TO SPITE YOU!"
Gotta say, it was pretty great. And by "great" I mean "frustrating", in that I didn't feel comfortable saying all that in public, but you can't swear when you're ranting via work email.
I already had an appointment to pick up a new prescription on Wednesday, so I figured while I was there I'd ask about my weight.
Now, here I got lucky. I just go to the local medical centre, which has a clientele ranging from families to old people to hobos to junkies. They're very busy, and generally I just take an appointment with whoever's free. There's a lot of turnover there, and none of the doctors are native English speakers, so I've never really built up a huge rapport with anyone. (Mostly I go in, they say, "Yep, that's a sprained ankle," or, "Yep, that's a cat bite," or, "Here's your prescription," and I walk out happy. Or limp out, as the case may be.)
The doctor of the day was an Indian gentleman I'd never met before. He was unexpectedly great.
"I'm worried about my weight," I said. "I have a sedentary job, don't get much exercise, have ongoing ankle injuries, and I don't eat very well. And I have a chronic illness, plus I'm in the danger zone for more."
"Hmm," he said. "I probably shouldn't say this, but I don't usually worry too much about a patient's weight unless there are other issues at stake. Tell me about your health and family history."
So I did.
SOME TIME LATER -- because my mother has diabetes, arthritis and a thyroid condition, my sister has PCOS and my maternal grandmother -- well, I never met her, and I've never even seen a photo of her, but apparently she was quite obese. Which was partially due to diabetes and an undiagnosed reproductive disorder, but also probably had a lot to do with the multiple pregnancies, alcoholism, drug abuse, early-generation psychopharmaceuticals and generally over-eating. Bit of an outlyer, my grandmother -- ANYWAY, after all that, the doctor said, "Yes. I think you should lose weight."
So we agreed that I should drop 20 kilos, which brings me back down to 60kg. Which is, as he said, "technically overweight, but I don't put any stock in the BMI, and neither should you." I remember being 60kg. I enjoyed it quite a lot, even though, looking back, I invested way too much self-esteem in being slim.
So now I'm eating marginally less, but mostly I've shuffled quantities -- less meat and carbs, more vegetables and legumes. ("But don't cut carbohydrates out," the doctor said. "It's stupid. All the weight you'll lose will just come back, and messing with your blood sugar is a bad idea!") And I'm walking at least 30 mins a day.
Right now he has me tracking food intake and exercise via an iPhone app -- whose primary purpose is kilojoule counting, "but just use that for a baseline, until you have a better understanding of your body's needs." And I've cut way back on chocolate and candy, and it turns out that toasted tinned spaghetti sandwiches are a sometimes food. Who knew, right? And I've swapped my daily sushi lunch for a bowl of beans, canned fish and salad, which is tasty and also doesn't leave me needing an afternoon nap.
(One of my bad habits: going without food until I'm super-hungry, then over-eating. Bad move. "There is no virtue in hunger!" says Dr Awesome.)
I also spent $150 on trainers yesterday, since I need proper ankle-supporting shoes for walking, and my old 15 dollar trainers cut off the circulation in my little toes. And then I bought sweatpants, although they turned out to be stealth leggings, so I have an exercise miniskirt. (LEGGINGS! THEY ARE UNDERWEAR! NOT PANTS!) And it turns out that you feel far less wanky if you're wearing a roller derby shirt to exercise, people people just assume you're training.
Boringly, this is all very much on my mind since it's new and unfamiliar, and also I have to try and eat mindfully instead of just eating chocolate when I get peckish. (Fruit's not so bad now, in late summer, but I have to admit that I'm worried about winter. I'm not a big fan of winter fruits.) I'm also craving spinach like it's going out of fashion, which probably means something. That spinach is delicious, I expect.
Accordingly, my plans for today are:
- walk to the shops, buy groceries for dinner, tomorrow's lunch
- write words
- tidy embarrassingly messy room
So far the writing of words has not proceeded according to plan. By way of experiment, I downloaded Ommwriter, which provides a low-distraction interface, ambient music and soothing keyboard sounds while you write. It sounds wanky, but it actually works for me.
Well, sort of. I sat down to write a chapter of a novelly-type thing (the world really does need a contemporary Australian boarding school novel. Or at least, the pre-teen girl part of the world does. It's like Malory Towers, but with a social networking policy!) and instead produced 500 words of the Mai/Zuko AU future-fic. Words which I'm pleased with, mind, and they have kissing, but it's not what I was intending. Sometimes I find that particular projects work best in different settings -- short fics go in GoogleDocs, some stories demand to be handwritten (at least at first), apparently the future-fic AU appreciates ambient music, and a boarding school setting calls for Scrivener. (I think it's all the planning options. I bet JKR's problems with maths would have been resolved if she'd had Scrivener.)
See, it went like this:
About two years ago, I was told I'm pre-diabetic. "Great!" I said, "I'll totally adopt a healthier lifestyle!"
Suffice to say, I did not. I was about 70 kilos at the time. Since then I got a (really) sedentary job and gained another 10.
A lot of my friends are fat activists and fatshionistas, so I spent a lot of time reading their blogs, and reading other blogs, and learning to love my belly. (And I was doing quite well until my belly decided that it did not love me, and went from mildly averse to lactose to highly intolerant, and then followed it with several weeks of reflux. Thanks, belly.)
The problem was that my friends are, in general, very healthy and very fit. Me? Not so much.
I confided to
Hey, you know what's good at cutting through denial? RAGE. Early in the week a couple of people reblogged this on Tumblr, and it was like being punched in the face with their privilege. I spent much of Tuesday ranting at
Gotta say, it was pretty great. And by "great" I mean "frustrating", in that I didn't feel comfortable saying all that in public, but you can't swear when you're ranting via work email.
I already had an appointment to pick up a new prescription on Wednesday, so I figured while I was there I'd ask about my weight.
Now, here I got lucky. I just go to the local medical centre, which has a clientele ranging from families to old people to hobos to junkies. They're very busy, and generally I just take an appointment with whoever's free. There's a lot of turnover there, and none of the doctors are native English speakers, so I've never really built up a huge rapport with anyone. (Mostly I go in, they say, "Yep, that's a sprained ankle," or, "Yep, that's a cat bite," or, "Here's your prescription," and I walk out happy. Or limp out, as the case may be.)
The doctor of the day was an Indian gentleman I'd never met before. He was unexpectedly great.
"I'm worried about my weight," I said. "I have a sedentary job, don't get much exercise, have ongoing ankle injuries, and I don't eat very well. And I have a chronic illness, plus I'm in the danger zone for more."
"Hmm," he said. "I probably shouldn't say this, but I don't usually worry too much about a patient's weight unless there are other issues at stake. Tell me about your health and family history."
So I did.
SOME TIME LATER -- because my mother has diabetes, arthritis and a thyroid condition, my sister has PCOS and my maternal grandmother -- well, I never met her, and I've never even seen a photo of her, but apparently she was quite obese. Which was partially due to diabetes and an undiagnosed reproductive disorder, but also probably had a lot to do with the multiple pregnancies, alcoholism, drug abuse, early-generation psychopharmaceuticals and generally over-eating. Bit of an outlyer, my grandmother -- ANYWAY, after all that, the doctor said, "Yes. I think you should lose weight."
So we agreed that I should drop 20 kilos, which brings me back down to 60kg. Which is, as he said, "technically overweight, but I don't put any stock in the BMI, and neither should you." I remember being 60kg. I enjoyed it quite a lot, even though, looking back, I invested way too much self-esteem in being slim.
So now I'm eating marginally less, but mostly I've shuffled quantities -- less meat and carbs, more vegetables and legumes. ("But don't cut carbohydrates out," the doctor said. "It's stupid. All the weight you'll lose will just come back, and messing with your blood sugar is a bad idea!") And I'm walking at least 30 mins a day.
Right now he has me tracking food intake and exercise via an iPhone app -- whose primary purpose is kilojoule counting, "but just use that for a baseline, until you have a better understanding of your body's needs." And I've cut way back on chocolate and candy, and it turns out that toasted tinned spaghetti sandwiches are a sometimes food. Who knew, right? And I've swapped my daily sushi lunch for a bowl of beans, canned fish and salad, which is tasty and also doesn't leave me needing an afternoon nap.
(One of my bad habits: going without food until I'm super-hungry, then over-eating. Bad move. "There is no virtue in hunger!" says Dr Awesome.)
I also spent $150 on trainers yesterday, since I need proper ankle-supporting shoes for walking, and my old 15 dollar trainers cut off the circulation in my little toes. And then I bought sweatpants, although they turned out to be stealth leggings, so I have an exercise miniskirt. (LEGGINGS! THEY ARE UNDERWEAR! NOT PANTS!) And it turns out that you feel far less wanky if you're wearing a roller derby shirt to exercise, people people just assume you're training.
Boringly, this is all very much on my mind since it's new and unfamiliar, and also I have to try and eat mindfully instead of just eating chocolate when I get peckish. (Fruit's not so bad now, in late summer, but I have to admit that I'm worried about winter. I'm not a big fan of winter fruits.) I'm also craving spinach like it's going out of fashion, which probably means something. That spinach is delicious, I expect.
Accordingly, my plans for today are:
- walk to the shops, buy groceries for dinner, tomorrow's lunch
- write words
- tidy embarrassingly messy room
So far the writing of words has not proceeded according to plan. By way of experiment, I downloaded Ommwriter, which provides a low-distraction interface, ambient music and soothing keyboard sounds while you write. It sounds wanky, but it actually works for me.
Well, sort of. I sat down to write a chapter of a novelly-type thing (the world really does need a contemporary Australian boarding school novel. Or at least, the pre-teen girl part of the world does. It's like Malory Towers, but with a social networking policy!) and instead produced 500 words of the Mai/Zuko AU future-fic. Words which I'm pleased with, mind, and they have kissing, but it's not what I was intending. Sometimes I find that particular projects work best in different settings -- short fics go in GoogleDocs, some stories demand to be handwritten (at least at first), apparently the future-fic AU appreciates ambient music, and a boarding school setting calls for Scrivener. (I think it's all the planning options. I bet JKR's problems with maths would have been resolved if she'd had Scrivener.)
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Date: 2012-02-19 12:37 am (UTC)I sat down to write a chapter of a novelly-type thing (the world really does need a contemporary Australian boarding school novel.
Ooh.
Or at least, the pre-teen girl part of the world does. It's like Malory Towers, but with a social networking policy!)
Ooh. Yay.
and instead produced 500 words of the Mai/Zuko AU future-fic.
YAY!
Either one thing that should be written, or another thing that should be written! Win-win!
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Date: 2012-02-19 12:49 am (UTC)Also, you are the second person today to mention Ommwriter. I should maybe take this as a sign and look further into it.
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:20 am (UTC)Can I beg you to call me up and drag me away from my work-desk and make me go for a walk with you?
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:58 am (UTC)I'll PM you my work number; can't remember if you have it.
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:24 am (UTC)Good luck with the lifestyle tweaks - your doctor sounds ridiculously great, YAY! I found Spark People a handy, non-yicky way of tracking both calories and exercise goals. I only sporadically use it. Good for seeing what proportion of foods and the makeup of foods you're eating are as well. (Pasta, oh how I only occasionally get to eat you now!). There are daily goals of minimum things to eat too - including carbohydrates and proteins. Eminently sensible stuff. /plug
Oh, also, I found those orthopedic shoe inserts help enormously with ankle support in my joggers.
It's odd, but the only people I know who went to boarding school are boys (Grammar in Toowoomba) - be very cool to read an Australian Malory Towers! :D
:)
Jaydeyn
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Date: 2012-02-19 01:50 am (UTC)Also re snacks: may I recommend these? http://www.harvestbox.com.au/ First one's a freebie with this code: 37785XWV2AR I get my first delivery on Tuesday! Very excited about healthy snacks that don't require me to get up.
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:21 am (UTC)This year Sydney will NOT defeat us!
Harvest Box looks amaaaaaaaaaaaaaazing! Totally trying it out! (I also found a service in Melbourne that delivers curries and dahl to your office. Portion sizes are enormous, but I'm going to share it once a week with the Office Vegan. Bless her oyster-eating heart.)
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:33 am (UTC)I WANT A CURRY/DAHL DELIVERY SERVICE :C :C :C Clearly, this is the universe telling me to move to Melbourne. Again. With big flashy neon signs.
... the Office Vegan eats oysters? I dare not even ask.
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:44 am (UTC)Cleaning my room is totally a work-out, right?
If not, TOO BAD!
... the Office Vegan eats oysters? I dare not even ask.
I've come to like her a lot, but the Office Vegan is ... very odd. I asked her once how she dealt with the cheese problem in risottos, and she admitted that she just ... uses cheese.
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Date: 2012-02-19 03:37 am (UTC)I have read and reread the tumblr post you linked, and I think I know what they're trying to get at - ie, that the pursuit of an extremely narrow standard of health outcomes can be detrimental if one already has generally good physical and mental health - but the phrasing is pretty off. Health means different things to different people, and if you're (generic you) lucky enough to have a body that is in a general state of wellbeing without having to make a lot of effort, it can seem like people who pursue health outcomes of any kind are overdoing it. Which is patently ridiculous. I mean, I consider myself genetically blessed that the only health issues I have are migraines and mild vision issues. If I had a family history of diabetes or whatever, I'd most likely do things differently.
(tl;dr - your rage is valid).
I have typed health so often that it now longer looks like a real word.
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Date: 2012-02-19 10:29 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-02-19 02:05 am (UTC)Ommwriter looks really nice, trying that out today. And yay AU Maiko! I'm rather amused by the idea that thirty-something Mai and Zuko really need some ambient music to get in the mood.
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:15 am (UTC)It's pretty amazing! I hope he stays on a bit -- because most of the doctors there are from overseas, their visas require them to change jobs every six months or so. (Why? To inconvenience people?)
I'm rather amused by the idea that thirty-something Mai and Zuko really need some ambient music to get in the mood.
There was also mood lighting. This is obviously a universe where Zuko learned all the right lessons from Iroh.
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:21 am (UTC)Mood lighting :D Oh, Zuko. Hey, he did actually seem to understand the general concept when he lit the fire fountain for Jin. Of course he whipped out a coupon immediately afterwards, but still, he's definitely not hopeless. (I assume that in this verse, Jin exchanged her coupon for something more interesting than a cup of tea?)
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:41 am (UTC)Even in canon, I figure Zuko and Jin saw more of each other. I mean, he actually seemed to like her beneath his outer layer of AWKWARD, and for some reason she wasn't put off by him being a complete ass.
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Date: 2012-02-19 03:32 am (UTC)Has anyone ever made a reliable timeline for how long they spend working in tea shops in Ba Sing Se? Sometimes I think it was only a few weeks, but other times it seems like a few months...
I love those fics! Wrote the beginnings of one ages ago, in which Iroh refuses the offer of a tea shop in the upper ring because Zuko is just figuring out how to act like a normal person to this girl he's interested in and who is very much interested back, and if they move to the upper ring, Jin wouldn't be able to visit and it will all go poof. Didn't finish it, but it was great fun to think about.
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Date: 2012-02-19 02:28 am (UTC)..........wow. I don't even know what to say after reading that link, which is probably for the better.
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Date: 2012-02-19 04:58 am (UTC)On the other hand, um, yeah. With the privilege check.
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Date: 2012-02-19 05:17 am (UTC)I've not talked about this a whole lot on my own LJ, but I've lost about 40 lbs over the last two years. Very slowly, in fits and starts. I have bad eating habits in general, and I'm definitely an emotional eater. But I've got some family medical history that means I need to get my shit together, and also, I started suffering from muscular lower back spasm, which MADE me start exercising regularly.
I have more to lose, and I'm still finding it hard, but I'll be looking forward to reading about your progress as much as you feel like sharing it. I know I'm by FAR not the only person dealing with this kind of thing, but sometimes I feel kind of isolated about it all.
best of luck to you. :)
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Date: 2012-02-19 05:30 am (UTC)Thanks so much for writing about this. I did the kilo-to-pound conversion, and we're really similar (I'm a few pounds heavier, though I used to be even more), and after being a Skinny Girl who never ever thought about what she ate or exercise for her entire life, it is so painful, and even though I KNOW how manipulative society is with the airbrushing and how they pressure you to conform to one body image, I still have very few defenses against it. I've become far more conscious now of what I eat (more fruits and vegetables, fewer sweets), and attempt regular exercise. I also keep track of what I eat and exercise every day on MyFitnessPal (which has an app as well, though I don't use it as much), which does help keep you accountable, even though I hate the practice of calorie-counting, I think it makes you obsessive and is bad for your mental health. ("Why do you do it, then," my girlfriend just asked me. "Because I'm overweight and should be punished," I say, only partly tongue-in-cheek. I was laughing, anyway.)
It was really interesting reading your doctor's advice, anyway. I hope you keep updating us on how this goes for you. It's inspirational, you know.
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Date: 2012-02-19 06:44 am (UTC)Doing the kilo-to-pound, pound-to-kilo, I'm about three or four more kilos more than you are now, and though I usually go down to about 78 or 79 in the summer months, all of this is on a frame tall enough that the entire aggregation ends up being pretty rail-thin no matter what else is going on. According to BMI I'm somewhere around 22 or 23. I am somebody who even at my heaviest is constantly told by my Japanese language instructors, who are middle-aged women from a culture that expects middle-aged women to demonstrate extreme concern for the wellbeing of those around them, to eat more. So I'm not at all inclined to listen to what BMI has to say.
My health problems have more to do with my appendicular skeleton, which is a mess, and my eyes, which are a mess without glasses that are a lot stronger than they look from outside. Any issues that I might have with my current body type would be better served by gaining moderate amounts of body fat than by losing it, and I'm not really concerned with any biological (as opposed to social, which I'd be equally unconcerned about if social constructions of gender were markedly different to what they are) implications of that since I have weirdly low blood pressure and generally very good systems health.
Incidentally, I can't remember the point at which I went and said 'I am going to choose to have a shitty skeleton and low vision, because I am an independent rational agent and I can decide these things!' either.
Anyway, that doctor sounds great, and good luck to you. Also I would totally read that Australian boarding-school novel.
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Date: 2012-02-23 09:39 am (UTC)That's good, because at some point I am totally going to hit you up for info about the national curriculum and what they teach year seven students these days. Because I swear to God, all I can remember is that we sang Japanese drinking songs and played a lot of basketball.
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Date: 2012-02-19 09:57 am (UTC)I've found that slicing apples make them a lot easier to eat in winter. Also, slightly frozen oranges are yummy.
You know I desperately want that boarding school story . . . :)
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Date: 2012-02-19 10:12 am (UTC)However, the majority of weight or fitness related things doctors have said to me in my travels through the Uni GP partners are on the lines of 'Yeah, I think you should stop doing canoeing, because is incredibly hard on your completely screwed up knees, you idiot', 'You fell off a WHAT?' and 'Probably should get back to the swimming when you can breathe properly again'. They much prefer giving me grief about my footwear and the amazing dislocating footbones. Which I totally went out and got, obviously.
My dad has a lot to answer for, really.
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Date: 2012-02-20 07:29 am (UTC)I wish you a lot of luck! I'm asuming you must be quite short, because otherwise 60 kilos seems like a low target.
Are you in Melbourne? I can recommend an excellent nutritionist.
I wish there was some sort of community that was the balance between fat acceptance / HAES and the acknowledgment that being overweight can be bad for your health. I've been trying to find a place and coming up blank. All I can find are the two extremes.
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Date: 2012-02-20 07:34 am (UTC)152 centimetres!
According to the Rules of BMI, my ideal weight is between 48 and 58 kilos. And man, the only time I ever got close to 48 was when I had appendicitis in year 11, and basically couldn't eat for a fortnight.
Are you in Melbourne? I can recommend an excellent nutritionist.
Yes! That would be really helpful! I'd like to know more foods that will keep me feeling full and blood sugared up for more than a couple of hours after breakfast.
I wish there was some sort of community that was the balance between fat acceptance / HAES and the acknowledgment that being overweight can be bad for your health. I've been trying to find a place and coming up blank. All I can find are the two extremes.
Yeah, I certainly have individual friends who fall in that spectrum -- especially
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Date: 2012-02-20 07:36 am (UTC)One thing wearing a roller derby shirt might get you is asked a lot of questions, though. ;) I'm currently in training for our local league here in Atlanta, so anytime I wear an ARG shirt (or even another league's shirt), people excitedly want to talk to me about it (especially if I'm at the roller rink). Still, it can make you look a bit badass, so work it, girl!
Have you seen any roller derby bouts, by the way? I know that derby is getting really popular in Australia . :)
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Date: 2012-02-20 07:39 am (UTC)But last year I had the privilege of seeing the Victorian All-Stars get absolutely slaughtered by Texas. It was absolutely brilliant.
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Date: 2012-02-20 08:44 am (UTC)Yeee! :)
I went to their bouts pretty regularly for a while, but I've sort of slowed down because sitting on the floor kills my joints, and they keep telling me I'm not allowed to sit in the disabled chairs.
That sucks. We have floor (dubbed 'suicide seats', since you have the chance a skater might land on you) and bleacher sitting at our venue, but even sitting on the bleachers isn't that pleasant. I even bought one of those naft cushioned stadium seat thingies, but after a few hours (because we always have double-headers on bout days) you're still really sore. The season opener was last night and by the end I was just as ache-y as I was after games last year, even though I'm in a bit better shape. Guess being 38 and not as agile as I once was doesn't help. ;)
Anyway, hopefully next season I'll be on the team bench and it won't matter for me anymore. :)
But last year I had the privilege of seeing the Victorian All-Stars get absolutely slaughtered by Texas. It was absolutely brilliant.
That is so awesome! I've yet to see Texas play, but with them being the godmothers of modern roller derby, I hope to someday. We have the LA Derby Dolls (one of the first leagues formed after Texas) coming to play ARG this year and while we know they'll probably slaughter us, everyone is just so psyched to watch them skate!
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Date: 2012-02-20 09:14 pm (UTC)Have you looked at the website 'sparkpeople'? It can be a bit overly perky, but it's good for maintaining motivation. I scoffed at eating plans, but after a few months of getting absolutely nowhere super fast, I buckled down and lost about ten pounds; plus the balanced diet made me FEEL so much BETTER within 3 days of starting.
Good luck to you!
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Date: 2012-02-24 02:05 pm (UTC)Having a very active job doesn't seem to have helped me much, not eating bread and sugar did more for me and my particular health problems (PCOS). I dropped a fairly large amount (for me) and have discovered I don't really care about the possible skinniness, I just like being awake all day.