lizbee: A sketch of myself (DW: Eleventy (hands))
[personal profile] lizbee
Well, that was a Gatiss script.



I was really excited about this episode, 'cos SUBMARINE!  RUSSIANS!  COLD WAR!  ICE WARRIOR!  I watched the first few episodes of The Americans, and I really enjoyed it and plan to catch up when I have more spare time, so I've been in the mood for some Cold War shenanigans BUT WITH ICE WARRIORS.

Then, as I woke up this morning, I remembered it was a Gatiss script, and that I should be adjusting my expectations accordingly.

Sadly, they weren't low enough.  No women: check.  Clumsy dialogue: check.  Minimal characterisation: check.  Fainting companion saving the day with an appeal to emotions: check.

Also, plot-wise, I thought this was much better when it was an episode of The Sarah Connor Chronicles

My main problem with Gatiss is that he does what everyone accuses Moffat of doing: he writes flat female characters who are either victims or objects (sometimes they multi-task and are both!), and he writes really generic companions.  At one point Clara reminded me very strongly of Mel, the ultimate generic companion.  Now, I love Mel quite a lot, but she suffers from having been created by men who weren't entirely sure if women were people, and then the script editing was taken over by Andrew Cartmel, who wasn't interested in exploring yet another middle class companion.  So she spends most of her serials being sidelined by Glitz, the Kangs, Ray and Ace.  And that was Clara's role here -- she asks a few questions to help the audience along, is literally the mouthpiece for the Doctor, she nearly faints with terror, and then she's saddened by death.  Which should have been a really great character moment for her, but it was, as I say, quite generic.  And, finally, she saves the day by reminding the Ice Warrior of his dead daughter, so, feelings.  That's what ladies do, right?

The Russians also didn't gel for me.  They didn't react like citizens of a totalitarian state.  Lines about American aggression felt rote.  Davos Seaworth was great, because he's great in everything, but even he couldn't save his character, who doesn't seem to operate from any principle, ideology or motivation beyond What Does The Plot Need Next?

Oh, and the Ice Warrior was very disappointing.

JUST SO I HAVE SOMETHING GOOD TO SAY!  I'd like to comment that I really liked the directing, which was far more interesting than the script, and also the Doctor's Vegas sunnies. 

Date: 2013-04-13 11:24 pm (UTC)
rj_anderson: (Owl in a Tree)
From: [personal profile] rj_anderson
I can't remember why Clara lost consciousness, but I didn't at all get the impression that it was because she was some weak fainting woman. I was keeping in mind your comments on Twitter about Gatiss scripts and expecting her to be a victim or an accessory in this episode, so I was quite pleasantly surprised by the role she took in the plot and denouement.

Maybe I'm just blinded by the fact that I really, really like Clara and Jenna Louise-Coleman does a lovely job playing her? I will definitely admit to being blinded by my love for Unexpected David Warner, and also that the Duran Duran jokes made me grin all over my face.

(I did worry a lot about that Walkman being soaking wet the whole time, though. I would not have been putting those headphones anywhere near my ears, myself.)

All in all, by no means a great episode, but one I wouldn't mind watching again.

Date: 2013-04-23 02:45 pm (UTC)
infiniteviking: A bird with wings raised in excitement. (Default)
From: [personal profile] infiniteviking
I couldn't figure out why Clara fainted the first time. I'd thought it she hit her head? Or something? It'd make sense for the sudden pressure increase to have blacked her out, and that would also have been Science!, but someone should have said something.

The second time was absurd, though. And yup, Clara's not fully alive as a character yet, though JLC does a brilliant job with what she's got.

But Unexpected Not-Sark-At-All David Warner gave me all the fuzzies and I'm torn between wanting him to be the next Doctor and wanting Clara and Eleven to adopt him and take him all over the universe.

Date: 2013-04-13 11:53 pm (UTC)
nostalgia: (dw - doctor/donna kissin)
From: [personal profile] nostalgia
I really felt the lack of Doctor-Clara Significant Interaction. What's their relationship supposed to be at this point? Why did he look horrified when she hugged him after chasing her across time and space so she could be his new BFF? Clara was indeed wicked generic this week, having to do all that Generic Companion stuff. It's like Gatiss knows what companions are for in narrative terms, but has no interest in their emotional importance. Basically I just really want some BFF action and I want it nao. Yes I am that easy to please.

Date: 2013-04-14 12:06 am (UTC)
nonelvis: (DW blue TARDIS)
From: [personal profile] nonelvis
Exactly. Her dialogue felt off to me, too, especially compared to "The Bells of St. John" -- less rapid-fire and snarky.

Date: 2013-04-14 02:29 pm (UTC)
bobcatmoran: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bobcatmoran
I figured the Doctor's horrified look upon being hugged was because that's Eleven's default setting to any unexpected hugs/kisses, especially from companions. He didn't do the flaily "argh, what do I do with my arms?" thing this time, though.

Date: 2013-04-14 12:03 am (UTC)
jjpor: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jjpor
No women: check.

Well yeah, because it was set on a nuclear submarine in 1983...

Date: 2013-04-14 04:20 am (UTC)
melyanna: (Britta (paintball))
From: [personal profile] melyanna
That's probably what I was most disappointed in, but I knew I shouldn't get my hopes up for a nuanced Cold War story. Just saying "mutually assured destruction!" a lot does not a Cold War story make.

Date: 2013-04-23 02:36 pm (UTC)
infiniteviking: A noncommital bluejay on a perch. (4)
From: [personal profile] infiniteviking
He could have fixed that by having a specific reason that the plot had to take place in that particular time, but... nope. Not even period-recognizable interactions. >.

Date: 2013-04-14 12:13 am (UTC)
nonelvis: (DW blue TARDIS)
From: [personal profile] nonelvis
I'm watching it again now on BBCA in the hopes I'll see what so many other people seem to be enjoying about this episode, but mostly it just sat there for me. Part of this may simply be that I like base-under-siege just fine, but it's never going to be my favorite trope -- and when you add Gatiss' flat writing style on top of that, it comes across for me as 40+ minutes of perfectly ordinary and unspecial television. Also, after Clara's active role in the last episode, I agree it was disappointing here to see her relegated to mostly sitting back while the menfolk did the important work.

Date: 2013-04-14 09:50 am (UTC)
copracat: Jim and Blair facing forward in a car with the text 'Lost Boys' (blair lost boys)
From: [personal profile] copracat
Wow. I hadn't realised it but, looking this up on Wikipedia, I found out Gatiss has written pretty much all of my least favourite new Who stories. That's some impressive achievement. And there's another one of his to go this season. Spoilers are not making me happy.

Anyway, this one, it wasn't that it was bad so much as boring. Boooooring. Particularly since I just recently watched Last Resort which managed to do interesting peril on a sub almost every week for 13 weeks. What a waste of some great grizzly old actors.

Date: 2013-04-14 10:05 am (UTC)
copracat: dreamwidth vera (Default)
From: [personal profile] copracat
The best thing about the child and the dollhouse ep was the accompanying Confidential with the ridiculous awesome kid having a mad time with Karen and the Babes.

Date: 2013-04-14 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] danel4d
Yeah... there were a lot of nice ideas in it, they just... sat there.

I mean, it could have been an excellent modern revisit to our classic base-under-siege tale... paranoid cold war peeps trapped with a monster, which is actually just another warrior as horribly trapped as they are. Only it doesn't really take off.

Lots of bits in it I liked! That the end is the Ice Warriors coming to collect him; the scene where Clara tries to point out she can't be a spy because she can't speak Russian before realising she must be speaking and understanding perfect Russian; the eccentric scientist. But it just doesn't come together. It's like he just grabbed a bunch of elements from base-under-siege and modern day and just dropped them on the page, not really doing anything with them.

At the end, I'm not asking "What would I change to improve this?". It's more... start over with the intriguing concept.

Date: 2013-04-14 11:51 am (UTC)
kerravonsen: The TARDIS: "Any place. Any time. (but not where you intended)" (tardis-any-place)
From: [personal profile] kerravonsen
It was very much a paint-by-numbers story, yes, but I was enjoying David Warner too much to worry about it all that much. And, yes, the directing was very good.

Date: 2013-04-14 05:53 pm (UTC)
significantowl: flowers on blue background (Default)
From: [personal profile] significantowl
so much yes. My expectations sank when I saw his name on the screen, but then I thought, "At least he can do good period feel sometimes!" But not so much this time.

I did like the Doctor telling Clara it wasn't a test - that's my one positive thing :)

Date: 2013-04-15 01:26 pm (UTC)
jae: (theamericansgecko)
From: [personal profile] jae
Ohhh, please do watch the rest of the episodes of "The Americans"! And then talk about it in your journal! I will link to you if you do. :)

Ahem. Sorry about the desperate stranger dropping by looking for fannish contact about her new show-love. ;)

-J

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