Feminism: Doing it wrong

[lizbee]

With Amy gone, we can no longer argue whether or not wearing mini-skirts makes her a brazen hussy ... but don't worry, here's the argument about whether Clara's second job makes her a whore, or merely easy. Also, characterisation: what business does it have appearing in television?

Fandom: actually in fact the worst!

On an unrelated note: denizens of Tumblr! If you're about to claim that rape was unknown outside of Europe until it was introduced by colonisers, I strongly recommend first googling "noble savage stereotype", and then sitting very quietly and thinking about what you've done.

Comments

[sqbr]

Ug. Clara was not a governess getting her kicks pretending to be a barmaid! She was a barmaid trying to get a better life by becoming a governess and pretending to be upper class! I thought that was made pretty clear, eg the way she reverts to her lower class accent under stress.

I do tend to agree with the person expressing frustration with the way that Amy, River and Oswin are ALL sexy women who flirt with the Doctor: each character makes sense individually but it would be nice to have some variety. Still, she does make sense as an individual character. *has a forboding feeling that there will be just as much Oswin hate as Amy hate, yay*

[nostalgia]

TUMBLR SAYS WHAT

[sabra_n]

I can almost see the argument that Amy being a kiss-o-gram was a euphemism for something, if I squint really hard and maybe give myself some head trauma, but Clara the barmaid? Really, guys? Projecting much?

[kouredios]

I knew there was a reason I had stopped watching that comm...

[drakyndra]

It's been at the circular logic point for a while now: "Since Moffat is clearly sexist, how does this particular character demonstrate Moffat's sexism." The fact the person making that comment clearly doesn't know what the Madonna/whore dichotomy actually means didn't help the case.

Then again, I also think that not explaining something =/= a plot-hole and a big chunk of people seem to disagree with that, so...

Though I'm still wondering if people have forgotten all the hate Martha got for being too similar to Rose.

[wolfy_writing]

White people invented rape? Do they not know the history of anything ever?

[jesuswasbatman]

I'm glad miss_s_b didn't see that one.

[marymac]

Yep, coming to help out in an emergency as a barmaid in your family's pub* makes you a whore. Totally.

*Possibly not her dad, but definite family business/doting relation vibe coming off that last exchange there

[nonelvis]

You already know what I think of the doctorwho post, so all I have to say is this: Tumblr. Tumblr. Pick up a history book every now and then. Or go to Wikipedia. Or maybe pay attention in your history class for five minutes without doodling LARRY STYLINSON 4EVA on your notebook, okay?

[skipthedemon]

I especially liked the comment that there was simply no way someone lower class could have educated herself enough to bluff her way into a position as governess. They had to have middle or upper class origins. It's not like there were hundreds of public libraries in England by 1900 or the Education Act of 1870 instituted mandatory schooling or anything! *eyeroll*

[sohotrightnow]

I really shouldn't comment at all because when it comes to stuff like this it's impossible for me to not be a total snot about fandom, but I had to high-five you. _o/\o_

[stultiloquentia]

I have nothing substantial to add, but here is a snort of agreement.